For a mid-range offence of knowingly taking part in the supply of a large commercial quantity of P2P, with a strong subjective case including no prior convictions and good character, a starting point of 19-20 years before discount for a guilty plea is excessively high; a starting point in the order of 16 years (as in Ly v R) is more appropriate. A guilty plea entered four days before trial warrants a discount more towards 10 per cent than the mid-range of the Thomson and Houlton 10-25 per cent range.
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